I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. But I wanted to post this just to show that colorism in VIXX is a major problem, it has been happening since debut and has continued up til now, is something that has majorly affected Hakyeon (and is not just "a fun inside joke") and is something that every single other member is guilty of. When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? #AskHwasa. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. I promise you it wasnt a group thing. if(document.querySelector("#ads")){ Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. They are not exactly multicultural societies vs. north america. A subreddit for the four member kpop group, MAMAMOO! problematickpop:. However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. Good night @noobmaster89 and solar cult. Thank you everybody for everything! My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. The last thing repeatedly referenced against Hwasa is the fact that she wore a durag on Queendom during Mamamoos Good Luck performance. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). i love exo. kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. MAMAMOO's Hwasa is a cast member in the MBS reality show I live Alone (literal translation). | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. eventAction: 'click_adunit' In order to do that, I must describe the actions Mamamoo has done in the past that received the most vocal and widespread backlash, and then explain what happened as a result. }); Her wig: Now I can understand how it can be seen as cultural appropriation. But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. So those are the most controversial things talked about that Mamamoo has done. Mamamoo themselves wrote: We were extremely ignorant of blackface and did not understand the implications of our actions. Refresh the page,. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { This resulted in people calling her out as dressing like a black stereotype, and complaining that she was even wearing blackface again, despite the fact that she had no heavily darker makeup on, and was simply rocking her naturally darker skin. Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. The show is about celebrities living their daily life alone. Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. }); Dark smudges of makeup were put on her face to represent dirt that the beggar character had on him, and people accused her of doing blackface for it, even though she was portraying a Korean character, and not someone of African descent. hitType: 'event', They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. Guess we just have to deal with the immature fans who judge them for small things. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Yes I should have included more context. its actually really frustrating when sources get deleted because then theres no definite way to tell exactly what somebody said. 18 Jan 2023, 08:31 PM . On top of that, they bash the fans saying we overlook everything and that Mamamoo should have been cancelled by now. This thread can't even agree on what Mamamoo did or did not do and yet y'all want to drag them into Blackpink's problematic sh*t to divert the attention, y'all are a damn mess. Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. Of course I was disappointed in some of the things they've done and said, but we all make mistakes and they've acknowledged them and apologized. I made an exo masterpost and since then Ive had a lot of messages from people telling me that they no longer feel that they can bias Chanyeol or Baekhyun, which is their own personal decision, and something that they chose based on information I provided. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. Im going to leave this blog up so people can still refer to some of the posts and look through the tags. kpop problematic carrd! The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. Posts: 337. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. The sun will always shine for us. if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? It took years to unlearn what was taught to me, become more informed, and develop my own beliefs. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, that post wasnt made with the intent of hurting Super Junior or their fans, nor was it made for the purpose of bashing Super Junior. That obviously didnt work too well. but its hard not to be. I do understand that some things which look like reaches to other people arent always reaches though. The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. ga('ads.send', { 1,068. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. Please feel free to contact me if you think Im missing anything! pg.acq.push(function() { hitType: 'event', My first mistake was actually assuming that the video at the source was still there (because it had been last time I checked) and so I thought people would automatically know that he said it a long time ago judging by the video itself. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. For hours the terms hwasa n-word, hwasa racist, hwasa ugly, hwasa dead, were the most common twitter terms in Hwasas searches, while Moos rushed around trying to tweet positive things and trend protective hashtags in response. Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. Please think before you write these messages. Threads: 200. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. A lot seem to be taken out of context and exaggerated. The company even took it down same day and cut it out so to make sure that it was offending people. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotOnload', function(event) { I know Ive answered questions on things like racism, colorism, cultural appropriation, etc. As Ive said before, I dont know everything, and I try to provide sources for what I post, but Im a bit cynical and I can sometimes put too much trust into what other people say, so please, please, please call me out if you notice me spreading misinformation (it will always be appreciated) and I will update the masterpost. 2. Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. Normal version comes with 1 random photocard out of 4. document.querySelector("#ads").addEventListener('click',function(){ I don't think anything they have done has been malicious, however it was a product of maybe not being knowledgeable of what may be considered offensive to others. I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. Whew, Im sorry for the long post haha. In fact, I really like them. She gets loads of comments drenched in colourism and misogyny about her genitals and looks its truly vomit worth. },false) } It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. Im simply complying a list of things that could be perceived as offensive or problematic so that fans can decide for themselves. To discuss the bullying and harassment Mamamoo now receives daily, we must first lay out what originally brought out all the hate. Mamamoo ( Korean : , stylized in all caps) [2] is a South Korean girl group formed by RBW (formerly WA Entertainment) in 2014, composed of four members: Solar, Moon Byul, Whee In and Hwa Sa. 1. Twitter for Android 1 Quote Tweet 8 Likes Who can reply? ", HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT pic.twitter.com/hfqIr5fn9w, THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/gEpnibGF9J, the gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall #AskHwasa, Baby Mia Jade Riley: Parents Lani and Tom Riley speak out after dog attack killed their 5-week-old infant, 'We have lots to reveal': Madeleine McCann lookalike Julia Wandelt posts footage of meeting with PI probing claims, Kyle Sambrook: Hiker falls 100ft to death while carrying his dog in one hand through 'appalling' weather, Killer mom Lindsay Clancy was suffering from drug withdrawal and had 'worst side effects,' says friend, Bruce Willis's mom Marlene 'not sure if her son still recognizes her' as 'aggressiveness' creeps in. It genuinely makes me sad that the kpop community hasn't changed since I left it in 2014 which is why I'm so reluctant to jump back into it and only really here to support MAMAMOO. I really dislike fat girls. window.adsContainer = {"positionAfterTitle":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position2":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position3":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Below_Next_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position4":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position5":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle1_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position6":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle2_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position7":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle3_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position8":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle4_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position9":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position10":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle6_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position11":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle7_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position12":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle8_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position13":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle9_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position14":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle10_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position15":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle11_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position16":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle12_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"positionTop":{"code":"Article_Desktop_970x250_Header_Rel","isOrganicUserAd":false,"max_width":970,"max_height":250},"positionBottom":{"code":"Article_Desktop_Sidebar_Bottom_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":300,"max_height":600},"positionBottomRight":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280}} The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. One fan shared a detailed card about it along with the message, "And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. This is extremely disheartening, as Hwasa has spent her entire life fighting against such backwards thoughts as that. Please put a * at the end of the message if you don't want it published. Their members consist of Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, and Hwasa, with Solar being the oldest and leader of the group. She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . omg?? One user asked, "Which culture did u enjoy appropriating the most," while another quipped, "Can we have a spoiler? Explore the latest videos from hashtags: #mamamooproblematic, #mamamooegotistic, #mamaproblematica, # . ", #AskHwasa biggie or tupac? Hwasa is an idol who isn't afraid to be herself. 1,891 Rep. 1 Year of Service. Trust me when I say that most of the people who whine about mamamoo blackface are non-black people , I've seen a lot of black MooMoos who have forgiven them since the apology , but a lot of non black kpop fans wear it on their neck like it actually affected them in the first place , I may be the only one who thinks this way but American Kpop fans act very arrogantly when it comes to mamamoo a controversy. },false) Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. ga('create', 'UA-67136960-15', 'auto', 'ads'); They're open-minded and extremely kind people. Your question/message will be answered rudely or even deleted if you have not read the FAQ first. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And Its Only Getting Worse. Notifications can be turned off anytime from browser settings. For the writer herself, she said she used to stan Mamamoo and doesn't anymore because of the problematic things they've done. In the show, there are co-cast members Par Na Rae and Han Ye Jin. Wore a headscarf in a similar way to a hijab in, When a male fan said Saranghae (I love you) to him, he responded by going, Made the picture of Yesung in blackface his, Def Conn was talking about a trade he did with an African American regarding some Micheal Jordan shoes in which Kyuhyun retorted, Said that Kais defining feature was that his, Then proceeded to say Taos face color is dark because its green at 23:11 of the same, Assigned gummy bears to Exo-K members and, In the same interview, Kai sort of called him out on his colorism/shadism and Chanyeol said , Used a caricature app to make the Exo members and created, When Xiumin chose him as first place after being asked which exo member hed date if he were a girl, he saidIt feels pretty good to be in first place, but it is first place from the viewpoint of a male but then said a few seconds laterThis first place feels a little its a good thing! Thats not fair to them at all and makes absolutely no sense. Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. Posts: 310. I included links to a post explaining why Siwons alleged homophobic comment was extremely dubious and likely to be untrue, though I guess I probably shouldnt have included it at all (I assumed people would go to the link). For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. With reference to the Baekhyun-autism-comment issue, it has been a topic of much debate as many people have said that the korean word for autistic is similar to the korean word for defeated-i want to clarify that i do not speak korean so i cannot judge this myself-and that it was just a mistranslation. I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). Thats not true. }); Thanks for the reply! Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy K-pop stans w/o any receipts. Why was that her fault? Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. Why? Kpop music (as all music) is rightfully and obviously for everyone but i'm kinda surprised how big of a lesbian following kpop groups like mamamoo and dreamcatcher have and to some extent TXT, with other groups it doesnt seem to be that way. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. I have no reason not to trust the 2 Korean-speaking people whove come forward and told me it isnt a mistranslation? In the age of the Internet, in the age where absolutely anything can be done online, your actions online matter. when something is scripted) or it is something they did along time ago and havent done since. And despite Hwasa's fans attempting to set the record straight through her own apologies and explanations, the hashtag continued to be used by many to troll the idol. Nobody is saying you cant like these idols, everybody messes up at some point, but dont call other people sensitive just because you might have a higher tolerance level. Thanks for posting this. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. Mamamoo isn't even the first K-Pop group or artist to don blackface in 2012, Big Bang's G-Dragon (who have been called the "biggest band in Asia") posted a horrific photo that many believed was. 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