There are no reported cases of spindle breakage of DU-EP800 when assembled with Shimanos cranks. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. Probably more than some rattle. Stay tuned, as well have an Orbea Rise test bike arriving very soon. While the EP8s performance on the climbs is generally excellent, we have occasionally wished for a little more overrun for clearing technical features. Since working for MBUK, Alexs focus has moved to bike tech. Only the Levos belt-driven Brose drive unit beats EP8 in terms of motor noise. Funny that motor has a gear box, but only one gear? Overall it is a very refined system though. Make sense. Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. While the motor is both more sensitive and more powerful though, Shimano has done brilliantly to offer usable control of that power. Truly unfortunate you lost it. Don't take things too seriously just get out there and enjoy whatever you own and have FUN! Mkay? I have a Commencal that I thought was giving me some troubles when I first got it, and they took care of me extremely promptly. Along with the fault-free performance weve experienced so far, wed have no hesitation in recommending a bike built around Shimano EP8 this is a high quality and well-rounded e-MTB system. quieter(+) smaller(+) lighter(+) more power(-) battery range(=). Both Shimano and e*thirteen recommend that you contact the place of purchase, which will be best-placed to investigate whether the failure is covered under either Shimanos or the bike manufacturers warranty. I'd do way more on a big day. A dynamo and regenerative braking is the ONLY thing stopping from buying an e-bike? Anyone knows what's are those white (ish) shoes the reviewer is using on some of the pics? Now well point out here that the Bosch Gen 4 motor exhibits a similar metallic clacking noise, since its internal gear system also employs a clutch. This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. Its considerably bulkier than Shimano EP8, dominating the Levos frame profile while also putting limitations on rear wheel clearance. You are not alone. The Shimano EP8 RS motor, the key to the experience. Unfortunately this clutch also produces a metallic clack whenever it rotates back and fourth. Theres still a whirring noise from the metallic gears inside, and the pitch increases slightly at higher cadences. e*thirteen is one of the biggest OEM suppliers of cranks on electric mountain bikes. Once again still want to know; is the BB replaceable on these units yet, or are they still landfill waiting to happen? On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. In a closed Facebook group called Shimano EP8 Owners, there are also reports of EP8 spindle failures. Now, would we like to see Shimano eliminate the noise altogether? Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. e*thirteen is at the table with bike brands to find a mutually acceptable solution that first takes care of keeping people on their bikes. As expected, the new Shimano EP8 motor gets a hefty boost in power, with a claimed maximum torque output of 85 Nm. "While we dont expect people to ride with their phone on their handlebars when mountain biking" - Buddy, you must not have seen many e-bike riders. This also allows brands to more neatly integrate the motor into their frame designs, Canyon having done a particularly swell job with the Spectral:ON. Ebikes are cool but not quite refined enough to jump in yet. If possible, repeat this ride on the Eco and Boost modes too. Anyone having problems with the charger? [The] topic has been closed from Shimano[s] side but e*thirteen is still investigating with independent labs.. - Lightweight and small form factor VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Shimano doesnt state what those design differences are, however. The question of what happens with this combination is for the manufacturer of that combination to answer.. Also worth noting is that you can create two riding profiles, which you can alternate between via the menu and push-button on the display. I like to see a dynamo recharging system when the bike starts to coast downhill. - High quality display & controller 5Nm doesnt sound like much on paper, but on the trail the Levos 2.2 motor is noticeably musclier than Shimano EP8, particularly at the extreme ends of the cadence spectrum. All bikes [have been] assembled with Shimano cranks since 2021 April.. 3. It's a powerful unit with a huge reach, but it has a little problem: it rattles when riding downhill or, simply put, there is no power on the pedals. Assistance Character This adjusts the motors support level, which is how easily the motor delivers its power based on your input. Instead, we recommend setting aside some time for a battery-drainer test ride, somewhere that is accessible and easy to ride out with a flat battery, in order to work out your maximum range you can get during typical riding conditions. I've already posted this on the Commencal Meta SX Power thread, but wondered if other bikes with the Shimano EP8 motor and battery have seen a similar problem. I don't know anyone that likes a bike that rattles in any way or form. Subscribe to Cycling Plus from just 13.50 and get a Lezyne Pocket Drive Pump, worth 29! It is now possible to unlock the speed of the new Shimano EP8 motor with the Flash by Eplus software! Additionally, Shimano produces a smaller and lighter 504Wh option, which is also cheaper and helps to bring the complete bike price down see the sub-$8K Polygon Mt Bromo N8 for example. It's significantly more muscle, which was much-needed in order for Shimano to keep . Along with a new larger 630Wh battery option, plus updated hardware and software, Shimano certainly hasnt held back with its much-anticipated return fire on the highly competitive and fast-moving electric mountain bike market. Hey Ralf Hauser!! In the article it is not considered that much of an issue as supposedly trackstands are less common on e-bikes, but if I'd get one (if ever) that would be just what I can imagine myself do. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is, the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+, that achieves the most discreet integration, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo. there are no additional ports on the SC-E5003 to connect the switch with. While weve certainly been impressed by the power, ride feel and tuneability of the Shimano EP8 system, how does it stack up against the likes of Bosch and Brose/Specialized? Some claim it's a dangerous motor that suffers spindle failures. e*thirteens analysis suggests that some Shimano EP8 spindles may have manufacturing defects which, over time, can develop into cracks with use and exposure to the elements, reads TSB 157. This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. Bikes sent in for testing are usually carefully prepared by brands to pick up any assembly issues, and then are checked before testing by in-house mechanics or the testers themselves. If you aren't climbing steeps and requiring the torque, you would get way longer distance. Also a big improvement over the prior motor is that the EP8 freewheels easily, so on flats or downhill you can blast away without motor resistance. The new EP8 drive unit provides incredibly quiet assistance under pedal load. (7000km ridden so far). While there were limited options to tweak the levels of the old E8000 and E7000 motors, EP8 takes it to the next level, allowing riders to alter the motors torque, acceleration and general on-trail character, resulting in a more personalised experience for dialling your e-MTB in for your riding style and terrain. I mean, one of the most beautiful things about the bicycle is how efficient and capable it is of traveling long distances under our own power. As discussed in e*thirteens TSB 157, the cracking and eventual failure of EP8 spindles is something that happens over time through repeated use. Plus integration looks like shit on those Nox bikes. Oh man, so that must mean you know of rigs they've received that they've not done first rides and then field tests on. Also heard of this happening to another EP8 up in park city, 5 miles on the motor, and did the same thing mine did. Power less, battery smaller, it lighter is.. Would "every time you push the on switch" have been more understandable? Still, the performance in the adaptive E-MTB mode is excellent, with smooth and flexible power delivery, and riders wanting plenty of grunt will certainly dig the Bosch motor. As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? Nothing like on an ebike. As in, we totally forgot about it altogether. So far so good. Aim for a cadence between 70-90 RPM for maximum efficiency and response from the motor. - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell An E-bike with 200 watt power assist, 350 WH battery, and total weight of bike under 34 lbs. Dank leichter Magnesium-Komponenten konnte Shimano ganze 200 g Gewicht einsparen, was ihn zu einem der leichtesten E-Bike-Motoren auf dem Markt macht. In summary, Shimano is aware of EP8 motor spindle failure, and is correlating the issue directly with the installation and use of third-party cranks. They need to get their old skunk works team back together and gain real world feedback before promoting vaporware. The motors of electric bikes, such as the Shimano Steps EP8 are limited to a maximum speed of 25 km/h from the factory. Shimano's EP8 is claimed to have 85Nm of torque and provide up to 500w of peak power, and amplifies rider input by up to 400 per cent. Also did some trail work. Both bikes were fitted with e*thirteen cranks. What ever happened to grit?!?! Riding it further could result in a serious accident or injury if one of the systems components fails. Subscribe from just 13.50 and get a Lezyne Pocket Drive Pump, worth 29! Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. With that said, all my riding is tough climbs and steep descents, without an e-bike would be walking up a bunch of it. Its mostly apparent when freewheeling down really rough trails, but weve been able to detect it when the motor is engaging and disengaging around the 25km/h cutoff on the road, and while cruising over washboard bumps on mundane fireroads. Already have an account with us? There's 21-percent more torque (85 N/m total) in Trail and Boost modes. Why don't you just make 10 be the top number and make that fully charged? There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. After downloading the free E-Tube Project app, youll need to turn the bike on and pair it with your smartphone. Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. Chuckle. It is MUCH less powerful, but there is no rattle, no weird cut off, no jerky pedal action. We bought drive units and crank arms, we are replacing at our cost all damaged parts and are covering labor [and] shipping costs that might occur. This, of course, is good news for Commencal customers with EP8 drive units and e*thirteen cranks, and were hopeful other brands will follow suit. The issue, we've been told, is that the motor body is subject to cracking when the drive is employed as a stressed part of the bike's frame. We need to go deeper. Generally on bikes we spend so little time braking that regeneration would be a waste of effort. SpecializEd # levo SL is a great benchmark Have had a Specialized Levo & sold it due to making weird noises, so yes other manufacturers have problems too, not saying that is easy to get good reliability with new technology, but my Shimano e-8000 motor has been more reliable even is very wet weather! On the trail the tone of the clack is a little deeper than the EP8 drive unit, but the cause is the same. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. Despite the musclier performance, weve had excellent results in terms of range, with the Bosch motor regularly achieving more miles and elevation over EP8. Our advice is not to rely on the range estimation in the first place. Does Shimano know why the spindles are snapping? Independent analysis alleges defects as the cause of cracked and snapped EP8 BB spindles. Smaller:Compared to the previous model, the EP8's volume has been reduced. That makes it tricky to work out how much assistance youll be finishing your ride with. However, when coasting on rough terrain the unloaded system can exhibit a 'NORMAL' clicking sound that may be detectable to the rider. You can't call an e-bike rider lazy when they try to overtake you making this sound. These findings are the result of an independently commissioned investigation by e*thirteen, after the brand became aware of reports that EP8 spindles were failing on bikes fitted with its ebike cranks. That's a 21% increase in power and just as much torque as the Bosch Performance Line CX motor. Otherwise I do not care. Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. Good thing with Shimano is warranty,at least here in Madrid is almost instantaneous. Update. The actual mechanism works well but is very easy to break, just turn the allen key the wrong way by mistake..it also gets clogged with mud and doesn't work, then you break it trying to release the battery, Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. How many instances of this problem has Shimano encountered? The brand was made aware of failures occurring when the EP8 motor is used with pedal cranks made by brands other than Shimano, including e*thirteens e*spec ebike-specific cranks. Uh oh, another one E-triggered. Aside from the sound of the clutch, everything else in the "CONS" list can be fixed with software updates. Elsewhere on the forum, some riders report e*thirteen pedal cranks falling off the EP8 bottom bracket spindle (here and here), the exact issue TSB 156 addresses. But please don't anyone kid themselves that it's as much of a work out as an analogue bike, if there was no mechanical advantage over analogue what would be the benefit. That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. The complaints of charge bars on the display and the bike starting without any assistance are non issues for me. A downside of the 2.2 motor is that it is noticeably draggy above the 25km/h cutoff though something we experienced during back-to-back between the Levo and Canyon Spectral:ON. Lapierre e-zesty. Then we'll fix that for you. There are 10 levels of adjustment, from Eco to Powerful. It's also a very quiet motor when pedalling. A dinamo or recharging when braking or something That's what I'm still waiting for! So, when the sensor senses a negative elevation gain, the dynamo kicks in to recharge the battery. Weve been living with the Shimano EP8 motor for six months now across three different bikes; the Merida eOne-Sixty, the Polygon Mt Bromo, and the Canyon Spectral:ON. Let us know what you find out. Hopefully we will have a system with little weight penalty in a few years. They could have gone "yeah the rattling sucks but we hope you appreciate the motor nonetheless" but instead they composed this pure poetry. - Low-drag performance I suppose pedal assist allows you to tackle the more fun/steep/tech climbs but to be effective it needs to be subtle too. The biggest change has been with Trail mode, which now gives you access to the full 85Nm of torque if youre pedalling hard enough. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. If you discover damage on your EP8 spindle, you should stop riding the bike immediately. The Pivot Shuttle, for example, employs a huge 726Wh battery made by a third party company called Darfon. I want to use the Shimano EP8 motor for a small production of solar bikes. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. With 21% greater torque than E8000, the EP8 motor delivers substantially more punch on the trail, and it feels more usable too. Annoying rattle, did anyone say that to Shimano when they first introduced the freewheel? That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. The Shimano EP8 RS of the Orbea Rise does not present physical differences concerning the EP8 that we can see mounted on other e-mtb's. Its dimensions and weight are the same. I had this happen on my Orbea Rise but with different circumstances. Others will tell us the EP8 is a weaker motor. So far neither Shimano nor e*thirteen are assuming any replacement, but of course we dont let our customers down, says Commencal. Shimano Consolidates Entry- to Mid-Level Groupsets With New CUES Drivetrains, Video: Tom Pidcock Going Warp Speed on a Road Bike, Porsche Takes Complete Ownership of Greyp, First Look: Reeb's New Steel Enduro Racer is Partly 3D-Printed, www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wanneroo/bicycle-parts-and-accessories/men-s-petrol-bike-mountain-bike-/1259285475, www.cyclevolta.com/story/ebike-components/hold-up-shimanos-new-emtb-motor, www.avdweb.nl/solar-bike/solarbike/maxun-solar-bike. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. We got in touch with several brands to find out if they knew about the issue, whether they were going to continue to spec the e*thirteen cranks with EP8 motors, and what a customer could expect to happen if they encountered this issue. What a misstep by Shimano to join Bosch in its failure. e-bikes remove the only non-financial barrier for entry into a sport that historically required at least some small amount of fitness. What's left is just a plain old mountain bike with a weight around 14kg. We like to setup Profile 1 with softer settings for maximum range when riding solo, and Profile 2 with the punchier factory settings for faster e-MTB group rides. Improving performance on undulating terrain, Shimano has also increased the EP8s available torque at lower cadences. This is particularly noticeable on traction-poor climbs, even when starting from a standstill. This is a real review with details and pros and cons. Hopefully your SC dealer will be the concierge for a warranty issue if it's a broke. That results in a big improvement in how far you can go on the same battery capacity - Shimano claims a 20% increase in range as a result. Alex is also a regular on the BikeRadar YouTube channel and BikeRadar podcast. Maximum power output sits at 500W, although the continuous power output is set at 250W like most motors. For commercial info: info@eplus.bike. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. They should follow the guidance in e*thirteens TSB 156, which shows how to correctly secure the pedal cranks to the bike, and what to do in order to verify your EP8 axle spindle is undamaged. I have ridden ebikes great fun,addictive, you gain some things , but lose some things as well, like all bikes a compromise. Some say it's unreliable with a high risk of getting bricked. The MasterMind TCU head unit on the top tube is also as good as it gets, with a sharp and clear, but unobtrusive display that reduces clutter on the handlebars. I rode an e bike and suffered a little bit yesterday. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. My Bullit died after 80 miles - same symptoms you describe. Indeed Shimano EP8 is starting to become available across quite a wide range of bikes at various price points. Wait, 23-27kms? Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. Overall its a vastly neater execution compared to the likes of Bosch and Yamaha with their Kinder Surprise-style switch units. Recalled but still was delivered with the rattle. If that fails check those thin cables have no freys and are all in tact, they are easily damaged. What would happen if a consumer noticed their axle was cracked in the way described on e*thirteens TSB? - Numerous battery options, both from Shimano & 3rd parties As mentioned above, the Assistance Character bears the biggest influence on the motors on-trail feel, and dialling this down can make quite a big difference to the amount of range you can get from the battery. The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. Are we ignoring the fact that motor has been recalled/reworked by Shimano, and pushing all new bike deliveries by two months (at least)? Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. They must be under pressure to deliver units as this is at best rushed. Its easy to modulate via how much pressure youre putting through the cranks and the power delivery is progressive, giving it a very natural feel as a result. We will have them soon available in all our subsidiaries (Canada, USA, Chile, Australia, NZ and Reunion Island) to reach all our customers worldwide.. Pros - extremely quiet Cons - annoying rattling noisesums up 2020! If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. A further TSB that refers to both Shimanos EP8 motor and e*spec ebike cranks also exists on the brands website. My local rides average 30-35km with just under 1km of climb. Bikers Edge in Kaysville Utah hooked it up and took a motor off their demo heckler mx and put it on mine. With the Spectral:ON for example, which has very short chainstays and a relatively slack seat tube angle that puts your weight further over the rear axle on steep climbs, it helped to dial down the Assistance Character (to 6/10), the Maximum Torque (to 78Nm) and the Assistance Start (to 4/5) to soften the bikes power and acceleration. That is not the case, but all cranks should be checked for proper tightness before riding, and initial installations procedures should be updated, reads TSB 156. This is because the assistance drops off quite quickly when you stop pedalling, particularly compared to the Bosch motor, which continues to push on for just a fraction longer. e*thirteen cranks are commonly specced on electric mountain bikes fitted with Shimano EP8 motors, by bike brands including Commencal, Marin, Orange and Orbea, among others. Indeed Specialized actually built the new Levo around a mullet setup with a 27.5in rear wheel, in order to shorten the chainstays. But would the noise stop us from recommending an EP8-equipped bike? It isnt a huge difference, but sometimes its just enough for your rear wheel to make it up and over a stubborn tree root or rock ledge. Weve ridden the latest Bosch Performance CX Gen 4 motor on a variety of e-MTBs, including the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 and the Trek Rail. Not everyone has the time to grind for an hour up the climb. In fact, we found ourselves tuning it out completely a couple of rides later. This will be a far more accurate method for determining your estimated range. It's a similar level of feeling to Gen. Wowzers! The svelte motor casing provides more clearance for the rear wheel and suspension components, allowing brands to build their bikes with shorter chainstays. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? Commencal which has sold a number of its Meta Power electric bikeswith an EP8 motor and e*thirteen crank combination replied to our inquiries. I thought ebikes were supposed to enable us to do more fun stuff in less time. Any rider who owns an ebike with an EP8 motor fitted with e*thirteen cranks currently has two options. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. You can hear the motor spinning and attempting to assist, but no power is delivered. Yeah but who needs all that power? Seems quite useful for when pushing the bike up these impossible climbs. Specializeds Mission Control app continues to be the market leader in terms of connectivity, tuning options and user-friendliness. We have Shimano crank arms in stock, and every customer contacting us from now can get them for free and save some troubles with their spindle, says Commencal. One is a Haibike Fat-Tire with a Yamaha Drive, the second is an absolutely brilliant 40lb (including battery) DIODE from LaMere Cycles in the USA. - Strong but very well-tuned power delivery It appears users on the forum correlated the crank preload issue with EP8 spindle failure, which e*thirteen went on to refute in TSB 157. Their new ride algorithms make the EP8 one of the most natural feeling motors out there, with plenty of power to propel the bike over obstacles, even if Bosch and Brose are still a bit punchier and deliver slightly more power. I also have Commencal 2021 meta power sx. Try to tackle crazy steep tech climbs. this dude knows how to write a review, well done. And we certainly wouldnt be upset if Shimano could quieten down the clacking noise. Pickup is faster too, with less hesitation between pedalling and torque being delivered to the rear tyre. It is a feature bro, the sound of pure class. Couldn't agree more. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! "- Only five power bars for charge level.". No, not at all. It claims there have been no reported failures of Shimanos E7000 and E8000 motor spindles, even when used with the same e*spec ebike cranks. Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. Its a little different though, with Orbea detuning the motors power and assistance to improve efficiency so it can use a smaller and lighter 360Wh battery. Would you like to receive offers, updates and events from BikeRadar and its publisher Our Media Ltd (an Immediate Group Company)? The only Shimano-approved pedal cranks listed on Shimanos website are the FC-EM600, FC-M8150 and FC-EM900, all of which are available to buy aftermarket from various retailers. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. 1. And just read any car review of the blend between regenerative braking and hydraulic, then decide whether you want a computer deciding to regen as you roll off a drop regen braking is pretty much impossible on an ebike as it requires the use of a direct drive motor. Now I have $10k garage ornament that I can't ride for 3 months. I think we lost grit when we all got smart phones. 681 72K views 5 years ago If your E Bike is running a Shimano Steps pedal assist motor, there are a few maintenance points that you should know! Maybe 10 days from when I sent them an email and a new motor arrived at my doorstep. 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