once you jump in bed with the marketing types. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. Done. You write as though weve been asleep. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. If you dont like their price dont buy. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. Oh, hell no, he told me. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Such a thing exists. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. The Rock River Arms LAR-15 RRage 3G 5.56/.223 Rifle is a semi-auto rifle that delivers accurate shooting in a dependable platform with a clean, trim look. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Was also saving up for an m1a. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. What opinion? Same here. 84283412342. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. business or not your customers are your lively hood. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. Advertise their treachery. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! F$&@ Ruger too! Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Of course there will be others that benefit as well. You have entered an incorrect email address! Allexcept for gun owners and the non-big box store gun dealers who have to live and work in the Land of Lincoln. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. It may not even pass the House. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! No more. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! Out of stock. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. ! mantra. Hugely disappointing. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. See below for more information. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? Good for them. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. Better sell that RRA while you still can. I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . As far as Im concerned, Smith and Wesson are still shit given they operate in communist MA and they should have packed up an left after what that bitch Maura Healey did last year. they should have fought not laid over. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Huh? Damn shame. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. WebThis is the perfet mag for your LAR-15, and will work great in any AR-15 platform rifle. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. AR Parts. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. I checked my order history. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. He supported this legislation, (by not opposing it) that LIMITS CIVILIANS TO 9 FIREARM TRANSFERS PER YEAR!!!! Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. Henry? With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. Might see if you can find one to test out. The firearms community will be better without them. And their ammo prices were astronomical. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! If youve already implemented them, great. We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. Pennsylvania checking in. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. This story is libel. Divide & conquer. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. January 2023. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. No they dont. AND started planning to move out of the state. His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. CTD is my last choice. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. You are both dead to me now. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you Glad I happened upon this article. Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. This companys name is Mudd. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? We feel that IFMAs So I have to ask. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. Well, said. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. They profess innocence at this point, lets see if their actions match their words. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. We beat back a similar bill last year. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. I used to have a TRP. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. Well do our part in other states to support you. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Its called doing business. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. A Rock River two-stage match trigger or even a 3-pound single-stage trigger would be a recommended upgrade. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Performance Tuned. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Well, now. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! Or in the General Assembly. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. What part of their history am I missing Gov? Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. Two? Who Makes Rock River Arms? Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Because of rumors of canceled orders. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. The Ruger is berween $6-700. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. That should be true. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. I just bought an EMP 3-inch. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. Get a Dan Wesson instead. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. With support like that, who needs Everytown? For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Its about the same price as an M1A. Could be paperweights. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. No more. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. And now a sell out. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. Thanks for Nothing SA. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Make it a campaign issue NOW. County fairs? This says a lot about the people running the company. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Didnt you read this article? Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State In the former case its a matter of not really understanding the client and in the latter its a case of assuming that its better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. WebProduct Description. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). Cant beat that! it When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY.
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